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Day 13,484 - Poopin' in the River.mp3
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Good morning.
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Kevin here, life 22 and it is morning.
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Welcome to the morning show, Kevin with Life 22 has a lot of repetition this morning.
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Still getting my still getting the crusties out of my eyes.
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Today's Today's podcast is actually about.
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Municipal discharge in the river so as.
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A small business owner, somebody who actually has a business that rents Canoes and kayaks for people to take on the river.
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I get concerned when people start pushing narratives and start, you know, talking about, you know, our river and things like that and it and it concerns me in the fact that there's not a good public.
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Relations campaign and educational thing that people can learn about right.
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So.
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This is kind of a a tough topic.
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Of this.
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Almost every bit of this information you can find on the Internet you can make calls to municipalities and get some of this information.
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So I've spoken with many municipalities about this topic. I've spoken with, you know, people that work for the health department, people in political office have spoken with a ton of different people on this topic.
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So and and just to beware I have not seen the like out like the Council meeting from last night, which was many hours long and one hour or more of it was public comment.
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About this topic so river discharge but I have seen all the the prior common Council meetings leading up to this meeting.
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Usually there's there's a guy from.
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Little.
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Who comes? Or is it little valley or cattarauga?
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One of those places he's out that way.
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He shows up every week and he.
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He gives a speech to the mayor demanding more demanding more, demanding more and like.
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There's not a little, there's not.
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There's not a there's not a ton the city can do more.
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Mean you're gonna have to add some.
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There is some more you can do, but it's government, so you're not gonna.
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You can't expect fast change like this.
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It's not like the house is burning down. Like, what do you mean? It takes three weeks to dispatch the fire department.
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You know that's not the case, right? So.
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But it's it's also not a house on fire.
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So.
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Pollutants in the river.
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One of the biggest and you can check with the health department on.
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I believe it's the health department because they also do economic or ecological environmental studies and things like that.
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Do.
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There's a ton of different.
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The health department doesn't just like regulate, you know.
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Restaurants and small businesses, you know, say you can't smoke indoors and you can't serve alcohol without getting in touch with the ABC board and or the AB board. The AB board, yeah.
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Umm.
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So there's a lot of different things that cover stuff like that, but the the one concern.
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Is that they'll tell you if you get in touch with the health department that one of the major issues at our river.
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Or for any water runoff.
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Teaching actually comes from farm runoff, but there are so many government programs.
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The state, the federal government, they're all pro farm.
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So they're they don't want people to be harassing farmers because it's already tough to get people that want to be farmers.
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It's already tough to get people that want to.
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Be it's already tough enough to have people that are just just doing farming in general, and so that's why there's so many incentive programs for people to farm.
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The issue.
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You have all these cows, chickens, goats. All you know, all this livestock on a small parcel of land, or many small parcels of land, and they're pooping.
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And then let's take there's a farm in Hinsdale and I'm sure a lot of you know it as you're driving from Issaquah through into Hinsdale on your way to Olean. If you look, if you're heading that direction and you and you look on the right hand side down.
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This little gully.
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Where there is a small tributary stream and a bunch of other places. If you go through in the spring, you'll notice that, like damn near the entire.
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Farm floods.
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Well, so all the all the land that the cows graze on all year round gets flooded like you like. I remember it was a couple years ago. It was flooded up to like up to 16. And it was like I can't believe the guy's house wasn't under.
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He's like in a huge flood plain.
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Well, that's an example of of the runoff.
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Like so, it's picking up all that cow **** and it's washing it into the Allegheny River.
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And other tributary rivers.
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You know, tributary streams that go to, you know, go to the Allegheny River.
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So the the municipality of Olean, as as all the municipalities that bring fresh drinking water in and also have a, you know, a sewage plant, they're required to test upstream from there before it enters their city.
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And after it leaves their city, and then they also test their effluent.
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And this is true of all municipalities that have to discharge that discharge into the river or a tributary. So.
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Like for Olean, for example, if you test they test the water upstream and they test the water downstream and the the pollutant content of it isn't different, there's no difference.
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It is not is, it's not.
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It's not significantly different coming into Olean as it is leaving Olean.
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They do a Phish test on.
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They do a Phish test on stuff like this and what the Phish test does is the Phish test allows you.
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To they I think it's like 7 to 10, like freshwater bass or something like that. There's AI.
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Don't know the exact type of fish, but it is a very sensitive fish.
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And what happens is they put these fish in samples of the water upstream, downstream and effluent.
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And I know for a fact that.
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Olean's effluent, which is the water that goes it comes into the sewer plant.
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Gets processed by clarifiers.
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They separate out, you know, all the, you know, they separate the poop and the tampons and the toilet paper and all the other stuff and the **** and all the other sediment and sludge and.
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Grit and grime and debris.
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And so, you know the all the solids get taken out in in waste. You know, they pull the toilet paper out first and then all your.
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All all your like your your poop and stuff kind of gets like compressed flat and solidified and it kind of goes out in giant bins that look like mulch.
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But then all the water that's leftover is called effluent, and our effluent is damn near drinkable.
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Like it wouldn't take.
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It's easier to clean to drink than the water coming out of the river.
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Or water coming out of the ground like it is just like it is like super easy. Like it is pretty.
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To drinkable.
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And so those fish don't die. They they they do like a many day.
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I don't know if it's three days or a week, but I know that those fish do not die in our lifet.
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Ime, the pipe discharging into the river after the water's been scrubbed of of urine and poop like like after it's gone through the process.
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The effluent the fish survive, but the upstream sample before it ever comes into Olean and the downstream sample the fish die.
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And they test the.
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So our effluent is such a small amount of water going into the river like they test it and it's a safe, you know Dec EPA qualified permitted discharge, we're allowed to discharge that because it's clean water.
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And so that amount of water that goes in there is is inconsequential to the amount of water traveling through the river. And I don't think a lot of people go through this.
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Let's go through it real quick.
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The average in the average minute 8.8 million gallons of water are flowing through the Allegheny River.
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8.8 million gallons of water.
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Per minute.
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In the last like 5-10 years the.
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The discharge into the river, I think estimated largest and they're all estimated numbers, right because.
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The.
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There's a pit right where the the pump.
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There's a pump that, like when, when, when sewer water runs right, when like in your house, if you ever go in your basement, you'll notice that all your pipes.
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Running downhill.
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That's your pitch, your.
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Your pipe has to have a gravity pitch to it, right?
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All your poop, you know, quarter inch.
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I believe is the the number quarter inch drop per foot is the number to roll solids quarter inch or an eighth inch is for Gray water.
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That would be things like, you know, just water.
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Sinks. If you just have like kitchen sinks and stuff, then Eighth inch, Eighth Inch is fine.
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That's 8 inch is fine.
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Quarter inch is gonna roll.
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That's gonna be toilet lines. Things that are gonna, you know, maybe, you know, bigger, you know, bigger commercial sinks that have grease traps attached to them, where they're gonna get more solid type debris through them.
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Like that.
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You're so like once you get to one of these portions like is. If you just pitched it from your House, maybe your House is in the lowest area of Olean. Well.
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You're not going to make it to the sewer plant because you're downhill from it, so you've got to get to the nearest spot where they can put it into a pump station.
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Where it pump where it up pumps it to a higher location and then it can gravity feed the rest of the way.
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Well, when they go to these pump pits, what happens is the pump can only pump so many gallons per minute and so and as a lot of the like the speaker from Little Valley says you, your issue is that there's too much storm runoff.
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The pump can't pump.
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There's more water to be pumped in that storm sewer or the sanitary sewer.
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Then can go through that pipe or go through that pump's assembly.
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So.
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Happens is the pit fills up well.
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The Dec the EPA, everybody says well, it is more harmful that that water.
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Fill that pit and overflow into a street and potentially go into people's homes or where kids play.
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Than it is to go in the river. And so at the top towards the top of it there is a pipe that discharges to the river. On the off chance that the pump fails or that there's too much water flow and it has to overflow.
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There is not an impeller or a flow.
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Anything to regulate how much sewage? So if you look at your water meter or your water bill from the city, it's estimated how much sewage you use for your sewer bill based on how much water that you have going through your meter.
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So there's a little something just to kinda.
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Better kind of explain what you have going on, if you.
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So it's calculated based on rainfall and how much the pump can handle and how quickly the pit could fill up.
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There's just a lot of different how big the pit a discharge tube is.
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And so it's like, and how long did it go on for?
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Duration's a big portion of.
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And so these are estimated numbers, but the largest estimated number in the last.
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Years has been about 2,000,000 gallons over a 24 hour period.
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If you have 2,000,000 gallons over a 24 hour period.
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Well, if on average non storm conditions you are 8.8 million gallons per minute 8.8 million gallons divided by Oh no sorry. Not divided by times.
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That's minutes.
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That's per minute. So times 60 minutes. That's 528,000,000 gallons an hour an hour.
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Times 24 hours.
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Is 12,672,000,000 gallons.
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So now you divide.
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Or you take 2 divided by that number.
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2,000,000 gallons divided by.
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12 billion 672 you are at.
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Your your lesson? Yeah, your.
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I hate how they do that.
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If I expand it, oh, it doesn't want to do it. You're dumb.
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To the Exp to the.
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So it is 1.578282 repeating.
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To the negative 4th exponent.
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Like that is a significant that you are you are like in the one hundreds of thousands of percentage points here of how much that 2,000,000 gallons of discharge would be now something that is on when you when you operate, when you become an operator or you know.
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Lot of people in order to get your certification to work at a sewer facility.
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Unless you're just like, you know, Joe maintenance guy at the bottom of the totem pole.
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A lot of those guys have certifications for, you know, operating permits and all these other certifications that.
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To keep so one of the questions on the state and federal or?
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I don't know if it's state or federal run, but these tests that the government agency that certifies these things, one of the questions on the test is how much pollution is going to a sewer plant.
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How much pollution on average is going to a sewer plant?
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What is the percentage of of pollution going to the sewer plant in the in the the normal piping that comes into a sewer plant and the answer to the question on your certification.
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Whenever you take this test someday.
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Is 2%.
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On an average day.
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Non flood conditions, no overflow the average municipality.
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Average sewer pipe the average.
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The average sewer plant is receiving in all of the liquids and solids that they're receiving. 2% of it is pollution, and pollution is defined by toilet paper tampons.
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Poop.
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The you know the the different chemicals mineral discharge, biological discharges that would be found, you know 'cause if you have a glass of. What's the difference between a glass of water and a glass of ****?
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Well, the glass of **** is mostly water.
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And there are like, you know, you know, acidity and some other thing, you know, different types of, you know, like ammonia, different little chemicals in it.
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So they're lumping all that that portion of it.
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Into the pollution.
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So, like actual pollution, actual raw sewage is 2%.
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So if you say, all right, well, so out of that 2,000,000 gallons.
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Only 2% of it on a normal day on a.
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So we're, we're excluding the fact that it is a storm and that majority of the excess water is being diluted by storm runoff because either a you have certain catch basins that the city has to relocate onto a storm sewer.
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Which is.
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Which is, you know, it's on the infrastructure.
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It's it's part of the city. Allocates money every year to to make those changes. And so as the redoing streets and redoing infrastructure they are making said changes.
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There is a consent decree with the Dec that they have to follow every year and there is a 50 year plan like it's a 50 year plan like so it's like so these people are coming, we want them.
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Tomorrow. Well, why would the DC put on a 50 year plan or an elongated plan until it's done?
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A non foreseeable plan like we don't know when it's going to be.
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We're just saying we're going to go 10 years at a time, 20 years at a time, 50 years at a time, because we know that we're also going to change the rules from a government perspective to say, hey, you know, we're not these tolerances are getting smaller.
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Which means that you have to now make more infrastructure changes and eventually storm sewer is going to have to be treated too, because, well, you know, we can't not put bottled water with fluoride in it out into the they have the fish, they have to be drinking bott.
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Crystal bottled water, you know, and it's.
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Anyways, they so normal storm conditions so and that and that's not that's not most of them by the.
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The When the catch basins are being, you know are not tied or tied into the sanitary and out the storm sewer because the infrastructure needs to be upgraded here and there here and there.
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Is a minor portion of it. Majority of it are people's homes and gutters still tied in.
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So well, not not a.
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A like there is.
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It's a big Gray area, so like the city's estimated portion is like is a smaller portion than the actual like.
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Like people's homes like so when those things get O infiltrated, like a lot of it is, those like your homes have gutters that need to, you know, that's a big way of getting rid of it. Your homes taking too much sanitary.
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Umm your home is taking too much non sanitary water into its sanitary sewer.
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So you see on the outside of people's houses, they have their gutters, they go into cast iron pipes, they go into the old drainage system.
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Well, those are supposed to not be happening.
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And people say, well, I don't want it if I discharge it in my yard, it's gonna flow back and hurt my foundation.
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Well, and that's a good point.
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And what the city wants you to do or needs you to do is either discharge it out to your yard and then eventually does.
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Back and it erodes your foundation.
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Or put yourself in a separate storm sewer.
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You know which goes out to the street or they have drywalls you can build.
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I mean, all this costs money to the homeowner and that's why this is 1/3 rail when it comes to politics.
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None of the Common Council wants to pass this.
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I'm sure they do, but they'll never get.
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You start telling all the homeowners that you have to go around and they're mandated to not discharge into the sanitary sewer.
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You're going to have a lot of.
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There's going to be more homeowners up there griping than you're going to see the people from Salamanca showing up and their allies or whatever they go by.
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And so like, that's a large portion of what's going on.
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Anyways, back to our storm discharge.
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So all this water excluding the fact that it is not diluted by storm water, if it was just a normal day and it just couldn't handle and it discharges 2,000,000 gallons well only 2% of that.
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Is.
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Is pollution, which is sewage, so.
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.02 that was 3.02. So out of that 2,040,000 gallons was sewage. If it was a normal day.
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Here's the issue is it's not a normal day.
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And they don't have an exact figure on this, but they have estimates and the estimates are like I think.
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Like 18.
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Times deluded, or something along those lines, if not more.
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Mean it is so.
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You're probably 2% of that 2%.
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After the after the fact that they've they've diluted it.
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So if you were to divide that number even just by 20.
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It's 2000 gallons of sewage on a normal day and the river is already at a higher rate.
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So what happens is.
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You have on on the storm day. You're probably looking closer to 2000 gallons of sewage and it's all diluted by the way it is diluted. Umm, the same way that like nobody complaints when you go they have to get rid of heavy heavy metals. So what they.
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Is they'll.
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Up cow **** from these local farms.
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And when you're buying fertilizer at the store and they don't want heavy metals to be deposited, like all in one place, they don't want you just to dump a big pile of lead somewhere. If you're not going to recycle it.
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It's gonna go to waste and be covered in a landfill.
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They so they send them out to a place that grinds it up, and then they spread those heavy metals out.
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Through bags of fertilizer and fertilizer, companies, along with a little bit of soil and things like that. And so like when you go and buy a bag of soil, it's got heavy metals in it that they can just they can with with better certainty they're distributing it across.
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And diluting those heavy metals.
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Across.
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You know the planes right across the surface of the earth.
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So it's not all dumped in one spot, causing significant harm to every to one.
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It's causing very minimal, almost inconsequential, harm to lots of people, and so that's kind of the that's the process, right?
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Like so for you to be saying, hey, this is extremely diluted so that.
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8 gallons per minute.
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Is.
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And we're guessing because depends on how bad the storm is.
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So like they don't have like you would have to do testing every time they do this. And I don't know who would track this information.
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Maybe the Army Corps of Engineers. Every time there's a storm, the weather center, so but 8.8 gallons per minute times 20.
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Or eight million 8.8 million gallons.
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So it's a Hever 176,000,000 gallons per minute, and that's probably an accurate.
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It's closer to accurate than some of the other than just saying it's normal.
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So 176 million * 60 minutes in an hour is 10 billion.
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10 1/2 billion gallons.
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Times 24 hours a day, 256.
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253.44 billion gallons of water.
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Per day.
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And you just dumped in 2 million.
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And so now that tiny exponent is even.
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And then knowing that the water that's being discharged is also.
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Deluded by said stormwater.
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Like I get it.
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Everybody has a big.
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Nobody. Nobody wants one poop in the river.
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The example is though this isn't like your kid has a friend come over to go swimming in your pool and that kid ****** or takes a **** in the pool, right? Like yes.
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It's not the end of the world.
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It is icky. It is uncomfortable.
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But Mom grabs a mom or dad grabs a a skimmer and pulls the turd out of the pool, right?
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The difference between a pool is a pool of.
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So you have to add chemicals and keep water circulating through a pump and a filtration system with the river.
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Constantly.
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So it is kind of self cleaning to a degree.
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It is more self cleaning than a pool because it's got natural circulation and you're doing water changes.
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So all the water and changes in the runoff is all coming down.
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So but.
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The the the example with the pool is what most people think of when the city discharges in the river.
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What actually happens with the river is more like.
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You and your kids are in.
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Not a pool, not a commercial pool. Not a huge public rec pool.
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Not a river.
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But like an ocean.
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My kids friend pooped over there in the ocean.
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Like.
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There are worse things to worry about in the ocean than that.
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I get that.
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What can the city do to change this?
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It isn't an up in arms.
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Can't use the river.
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You cannot use the river because the city has discharged.
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Sewage because the river is already so disgusting, it kills fish.
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They're sensitive fish in this scenario where they're testing them, but it is so it is normally disgusting and it's disgusting before it even.
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To us.
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It was probably less disgusting on storm days because it's so diluted with storm water.
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I would be attacking the people upriver.
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Who's upriver from us?
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You have portville you have.
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You have all these other places that are up river from us.
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Like you have all these municipalities that are ahead of us and the water's filthy before it gets to us.
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And so, yes, we have this issue and also check with those municipalities.
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I'm waiting to hear back.
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But yeah, check with those municipalities.
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You tell me that when they get storm runoff that they're, they have pristine infrastructure and their municipalities haven't, haven't you know they they have codes in place and everybody has a storm?
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Runoff pipe coming from their houses, which must be newer, right?
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How about they're just as old as only in houses, if not older?
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And they have older, older infrastructure and they're not discharging into the river.
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But let's go after Olean, because Olean is the big.
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Oleand's the big fish.
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If you will to keep the metaphors alive.
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Or how about it goes down to Salamanca?
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About goes down to Salamanca.
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Where if you were to go to the State Park, for example.
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And you go to the other side.
00:26:18 Kevin
Of like you go to the other side of the State Park where it's reservation.
00:26:23 Kevin
And how they have camper after camper with like.
00:26:28 Kevin
With discharge tubes, they just dump onto the ground into the river, into the streams.
00:26:34 Kevin
Um.
00:26:36 Kevin
A lot of times when I'm bringing this information.
00:26:40 Kevin
Up to different people as I'm asking these questions at.
00:26:45 Kevin
At different government entities and asking people that are boots on the ground and I say hey, health department, hey sewer plant. Hey people from you know sewer plant from from portville.
00:27:00 Kevin
From from Allegiant, the different sewer facilities at all these other different locations, as you're calling people, you're calling the health department. You're calling this person, you're calling that person, and you say, you know, like, how do you get the well, how do you, how do you satiate the?
00:27:13 Kevin
Of salmonca, when the water's flowing through to them.
00:27:15 Kevin
Even if it isn't coming from Olean and they say, well, you know, a large portion of the problem is you go down there and they have no disregard.
00:27:21 Kevin
Have disregard for the Ohio is what I keep hearing at these local meetings, right?
00:27:26 Kevin
Have a complete disregard for the river as well.
00:27:29 Kevin
Because why would they not enforce it on their own territory on their own nation?
00:27:35 Kevin
And they're discharging and they said go to the state.
00:27:37 Kevin
Arks, there's a lot of people and it's it's a common denominator amongst all the different people that I've interviewed and spoken to um.
00:27:48 Kevin
And it is funny that you know.
00:27:51 Kevin
What? Well, like we have to make sure that we don't discharge, you know, and we're working at it.
00:27:57 Kevin
City is working at.
00:27:59 Kevin
I wish there was a bigger PR campaign that explained to the general public these numbers.
00:28:06 Kevin
You know, and making a more readily available and having tutorial videos other than just me being out there.
00:28:12 Kevin
That aside, one of the numbers are go see what?
00:28:15 Kevin
Doing to.
00:28:15 Kevin
River, you know, and you go down to the State Park where the Allegheny River flows through and and have these different lakes and things like that and they're discharged on their side, the nation.
00:28:26 Kevin
Side of the state.
00:28:27 Kevin
They are discharging their campers into it. Where on the state Parkside I've taken my camper down to the State Park.
00:28:34 Kevin
You pull up on your way out.
00:28:37 Kevin
And you can discharge into. They have like a septic tank or some way and then that gets pumped and you just discharge your your RV into it.
00:28:48 Kevin
Our.
00:28:50 Kevin
You know, at the city of Olean they offer, they offer that to people. When you have those, like big, you know, the coach buses.
00:28:57 Kevin
If you, if you if you have a coach bus or you have an RV, you can take it there.
00:29:04 Kevin
And and then you can you can get. They'll they'll bill you.
00:29:07 Kevin
You you can discharge your.
00:29:10 Kevin
You can discharge your RV or your your coach bus is septic or your sewage tank into into a drop spot where it goes into our system.
00:29:19 Kevin
Gets repumped back in, mixed in, distributed and then reclarified.
00:29:25 Kevin
So we're doing.
00:29:26 Kevin
How come the people that are complaining that we're not doing a good enough job aren't doing it themselves or enforcing it with their people?
00:29:32 Kevin
That would be another portion of this argument.
00:29:36 Kevin
I guess my one of my big concerns with the whole ordeal is not just the public.
00:29:42 Kevin
Well, I think and I have spoken to some Alderman about it, I think that I think that you know I I think that they're right.
00:29:49 Kevin
Campaign needs to come forward.
00:29:51 Kevin
I think Apr campaign would be very helpful to educate the public, but I do think that there's a lot of people that are up at this local meeting that come to these meetings that.
00:30:04 Kevin
Are there because they enjoy the fight?
00:30:06 Kevin
I do believe that that portion of.
00:30:09 Kevin
Like it's funny because as these different arguments build momentum at Common Council meetings and then all of a sudden it was, you know, it was one or two people.
00:30:18 Kevin
And then it was three people, and then it went back down to 2, and then it was just one. And then it was 2 again.
00:30:22 Kevin
Then it was three, and then it was one.
00:30:24 Kevin
And then then all of a sudden, now there's 47 people up there.
00:30:28 Kevin
And it's funny because when it's like under 10 people, it's always the same people.
00:30:35 Kevin
And they usually.
00:30:38 Kevin
They usually don't have all the information, but then when it builds up enough momentum that Channel 2 news is down there. Like I heard they were there last night and you have all these people and then all the same people that are protesting the BLM movement and.
00:30:53 Kevin
And they're they're out front of the city building on Fridays for, you know, the gaze for Palestine.
00:31:01 Kevin
And and and free Hamas and and whatever other signs they're holding.
00:31:05 Kevin
Or it's the the you know the we should have the right New York State to kill babies.
00:31:11 Kevin
We.
00:31:12 Kevin
You know, it's all those different movements.
00:31:13 Kevin
All those left wing.
00:31:15 Kevin
It's funny how they all show up.
00:31:18 Kevin
They all show up with their blue hair and you know half of them haven't changed the signs and they're holding.
00:31:22 Kevin
They're standing in the back and it's funny how these movements all they're discharging your river, that's just as bad as not having gays living in Palestine. And then, you know.
00:31:32 Kevin
And that's the.
00:31:34 Kevin
That is the.
00:31:35 Kevin
It's the those people that are looking to rabble Rous and looking to pick a fight and I get it like everyone has that little like, you know, when there's not a war you want to have a war to fight, right? Like there is that.
00:31:45 Kevin
That mentality that people just need to pick a fight.
00:31:49 Kevin
And it's more true in New York, right?
00:31:50 Kevin
Like this way we have a lot more bar fights than Texas, right?
00:31:53 Kevin
You don't go down to Texas.
00:31:54 Kevin
Pick a bar fight.
00:31:55 Kevin
Might get shot.
00:31:57 Kevin
But it's one of those like you just there are a bunch of people that just would rather see a fight.
00:32:02 Kevin
Would rather get the attention of taking on a group of people.
00:32:08 Kevin
Taking on the man you know that's the. But that's that is the adage that, that and that is the thing that you can think about when when you see all these people show up.
00:32:17 Kevin
Why are you here?
00:32:18 Kevin
What are you here for?
00:32:19 Kevin
Oh, you're here because.
00:32:23 Kevin
Somebody pooped in the river.
00:32:24 Kevin
Guess what?
00:32:25 Kevin
You know, most of the residents of Olean don't even you know, they they don't use the river up, you know, downstream from the the sewer plant. And it's probably actually cleaner because it's diluted with our effluent which is clean.
00:32:38 Kevin
So um.
00:32:40 Kevin
It is one of those.
00:32:41 Kevin
It is one of those things it makes you think, so we're going to have more on this.
00:32:45 Kevin
I know this ate up a large portion of our show.
00:32:48 Kevin
But and I hope it took it was an.
00:32:51 Kevin
It was almost a 2 hour podcast with Del Amores last night, so I hope you got to catch that on the channel.
00:32:57 Kevin
It took a while to.
00:32:58 Kevin
It was late by the time it finally, probably uploaded to YouTube. It was on transistor right away.
00:33:05 Kevin
L is so soft spoken. We had microphone issues, so I was like 3 hours with Della altogether yesterday. And and it was about an hour and 50 minutes on the on on the air with her.
00:33:17 Kevin
She's just phenomenal guest. I love della.
00:33:21 Kevin
And then, yeah, so I hope we'll have more of her in the future.
00:33:26 Kevin
Her on the show some more.
00:33:27 Kevin
She's got upcoming events and then.
00:33:31 Kevin
We will.
00:33:32 Kevin
We'll chat with you guys next time. Life 20.
00:33:35 Kevin
We'll see you tomorrow.
00:33:36 Kevin
I hope this was informative.
00:33:38 Kevin
I hope that you learned something from this and I have a feeling I'll be reviewing last night's Council meeting, like on the show.
00:33:48 Kevin
So thanks guys.
00:33:48 Kevin
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00:33:49 Kevin
We'll catch you next time. Life 22.